What Superheroes have been raped?

[gerard.morvan]

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

By Shado, the second time he met the japanese archer (except that she had
wounded him, not drugged him). Although that's only what she said to Black
Canary. Evidence suggests that Ollie was very much conscious and very much
willing.

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

The Huntress, in the first issue of her own series in 1989 (it has been
retconned since then).

Speedy (Mia Dearden) when she was a teenage hooker/drug user (she said that
drugs "kept the number of rapes to a minimum" while she was living on the
streets).

Jessica Jones (by the Purple Man)

Black Cat (Felicia Hardy) (revealed in Spider-Man: The Evil that Men do).

Gérard Morvan

"Kentoc'h Mervel!"

[grinningdemon]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Off the top of my head, only the ladies:

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
Spiderman/Black Cat mini.

Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
ongoing series.

Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
years earlier.

I'm sure there are others I can't remember.

[Mike B]

Ms. Marvel in Avengers #200.
She was mind controlled at the time.

Right, and don't forget the similar Power Girl story
in JLI. Even worse, it was caused by her then
great grandfather, Arion.

<http://marionetteblog.blogspot.com/2006/04/power-girls-phantom-pregna_114429897837983861.html>

[Michael]

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having
sex with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Wasn;t she walso brutalized to the point that she'd lost her Canary Cry
for several years?

Michael

[unknown]

Post by Michael

Post by unknown

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having sex
with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Wasn;t she walso brutalized to the point that she'd lost her Canary Cry
for several years?

Yes, she lost the Canary Cry and the ability to have children from the
attack.

[OM]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:57:29 -0600, "MG" <()> wrote:

...Kids, PLEASE trim your quotes. Especially if all you're doing is
adding one line of commentary.

Post by unknown
Yes, she lost the Canary Cry and the ability to have children from the
attack.

...Grell got a lot of flack for this, half for Dinah losing the Cry
without having had her throat damaged in any way, and claiming that
Dinah wasn't raped during her torture. A *LOT* of the feminists on
rec.arts.comics.* went apeshit over Grell's insistance that no rape
occurred, and for a while there you couldn't mention his name without
some wannabee net.god accusing you of supporting someone who supported
rape, even though Grell said nothing of the sort.


OM

[Duggy]

Tom Strong, during WWII, producing a child, much the same was as
Starman and a couple of others mentioned.

===
= DUG.
===

[Michael]

Post by Michael

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having
sex with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Wasn;t she walso brutalized to the point that she'd lost her Canary Cry
for several years?

Yes...she got the Canary Cry back (and, apparently, the ability to
have children) from a dip in the lazarus pit during Chuck Dixon's
Birds of Prey run.

She get a white streak as well?

In her hair.

Michael

[grinningdemon]

Post by Michael

Post by Michael

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having
sex with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Wasn;t she walso brutalized to the point that she'd lost her Canary Cry
for several years?

Yes...she got the Canary Cry back (and, apparently, the ability to
have children) from a dip in the lazarus pit during Chuck Dixon's
Birds of Prey run.

She get a white streak as well?
In her hair.
Michael

Not that we've seen but, then again, the blonde hair is a dye job so
anything's possible.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Michael

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having
sex with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Wasn;t she walso brutalized to the point that she'd lost her Canary Cry
for several years?

Yes...she got the Canary Cry back (and, apparently, the ability to
have children) from a dip in the lazarus pit during Chuck Dixon's
Birds of Prey run.

[Fallen]

Post by grinningdemon
Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Even if you believe that was the intention using 'quite obviously' when
it was neither shown nor mentioned within the book itself and denied by
both the author and the character in future books is kinda disingenuous.

Fallen.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Fallen

Post by grinningdemon
Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Even if you believe that was the intention using 'quite obviously' when
it was neither shown nor mentioned within the book itself and denied by
both the author and the character in future books is kinda disingenuous.
Fallen.

OK, but when she's basically left naked and the damage from said
attack left her unable to have children (which, as I recall, was
stated in a later Grell story), it is certainly rather suggestive,
wouldn't you say?

[Fallen]

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Fallen

Post by grinningdemon
Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Even if you believe that was the intention using 'quite obviously' when
it was neither shown nor mentioned within the book itself and denied by
both the author and the character in future books is kinda disingenuous.
Fallen.

OK, but when she's basically left naked and the damage from said
attack left her unable to have children (which, as I recall, was
stated in a later Grell story), it is certainly rather suggestive,
wouldn't you say?

Not as unsuggestive as the dialogue within the story itself which has
the thugs talking and the nurse listing her injuries and neither of
which mentions anything that would point towards rape.

She was being tortured, blows to the stomach area or a stab wound are
more likely to cause damage that would affect future pregnancy than a
rape which leaves no external physical signs so a nurse woudl miss it.

One of the thugs even says waste of a good looking broad and the
torturer say 'before i get nasty'. He also offers her to the bodyguard
which again infers that nothing has been done to her yet. The bodyguard
doesn't get a chance to answer because that's when GA makes his
appearance so rape was definitely on the cards has he not turned up but
there's no evidence of it happening.

Fallen.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Fallen

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Fallen

Post by grinningdemon
Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Even if you believe that was the intention using 'quite obviously' when
it was neither shown nor mentioned within the book itself and denied by
both the author and the character in future books is kinda disingenuous.
Fallen.

OK, but when she's basically left naked and the damage from said
attack left her unable to have children (which, as I recall, was
stated in a later Grell story), it is certainly rather suggestive,
wouldn't you say?

Not as unsuggestive as the dialogue within the story itself which has
the thugs talking and the nurse listing her injuries and neither of
which mentions anything that would point towards rape.
She was being tortured, blows to the stomach area or a stab wound are
more likely to cause damage that would affect future pregnancy than a
rape which leaves no external physical signs so a nurse woudl miss it.
One of the thugs even says waste of a good looking broad and the
torturer say 'before i get nasty'. He also offers her to the bodyguard
which again infers that nothing has been done to her yet. The bodyguard
doesn't get a chance to answer because that's when GA makes his
appearance so rape was definitely on the cards has he not turned up but
there's no evidence of it happening.

Whatever...I didn't want to have this argument again which precisely
why I stated in my original post that opinions varied on this...I
think the story clearly indicated rape...you obviously don't...let's
leave it at that.

[unknown]

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having sex
with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Something happened to BC during the attack so she could no longer have
children so that would indicate there was some sort of sexual abuse.

Post by grinningdemon
Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
Spiderman/Black Cat mini.
Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
ongoing series.

Don't remember this as I thought she became pregnant from a classmate.

Post by grinningdemon
Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
years earlier.
I'm sure there are others I can't remember.

Ms. Marvel in Avengers #200. She was mind controlled at the time.

[Michael]

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

And, IIRC, Sleez wasn't powerful enough to force Superman into having
sex with Barda.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.

Something happened to BC during the attack so she could no longer have
children so that would indicate there was some sort of sexual abuse.

Post by grinningdemon
Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
Spiderman/Black Cat mini.
Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
ongoing series.

Don't remember this as I thought she became pregnant from a classmate.

Post by grinningdemon
Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
years earlier.
I'm sure there are others I can't remember.

Ms. Marvel in Avengers #200. She was mind controlled at the time.

That's the one I couldn't quite remember.

Michael

[Mike B]

Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
was over?

Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
"rapist/son"...

Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
but turned out to be a version of Immortus.

Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by Mike B

Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
was over?

Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
"rapist/son"...

Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
but turned out to be a version of Immortus.
Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...

Friends of mine did the FX for that (orginally that was supposed to be
Ilia, it's a recycled Phase II story). Note that it was
self-retconning; the instant she had the kid, there was no trace that
she'd ever been pregnant, much less given birth.

[Michael]

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by Mike B

Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
was over?

Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
"rapist/son"...

Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
but turned out to be a version of Immortus.
Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...

Friends of mine did the FX for that (orginally that was supposed to be
Ilia, it's a recycled Phase II story). Note that it was
self-retconning; the instant she had the kid, there was no trace that
she'd ever been pregnant, much less given birth.

FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.

Michael

[Duggy]

Post by Michael
FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.

Correct. Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.

===
= DUG.
===

[OM]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:24:58 -0800 (PST), Duggy

Post by Duggy
Correct. Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.

...According to Majel, that particular Phase II script was a favorite
of Gene's, as the original version was centered around Kirk
outsmarting an actual being-with-godlike powers. The TNG version
twisted the story around so that the "demon" was a scam artist using
technology to conbefuddle the natives into worshipping her long enough
to rob them blind. The allegorical intent was a stab more at the
cult-of-doom preachers like Jim Jones than Gene's typical stabs at
blind faith religion.


OM

[Hand-of-Omega]

Post by Michael
FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.

Correct.  Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.

Anyone remember the Beverly Crusher episode that was almost a point-by-
point remake of Anne Rice's The Witching Hour? Really funny, as i was
actually reading that novel when it first debuted, and correctly
predicted ALL the plot twists based on the book...up until the ending,
of course.

Dex

[Anim8rFSK]

In article

Post by Hand-of-Omega

Post by Michael
FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.

Correct.  Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.

Anyone remember the Beverly Crusher episode that was almost a point-by-
point remake of Anne Rice's The Witching Hour? Really funny, as i was
actually reading that novel when it first debuted, and correctly
predicted ALL the plot twists based on the book...up until the ending,
of course.
Dex

I haven't seen AR'sTWH but if it was a Crusher-centric ep it must have
been terrible. Are you thinking of Sub Rosa?

[Michael]

Post by Duggy

Post by Michael
FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.

Correct. Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.

I didn't know that was a recycled script. I'd guess someone thought it
was a great scipt?

Michael

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by Michael

Post by Duggy

Post by Michael
FWIW, IIRC they had to recycle the script due to the writers' strike.

Correct. Doesn't really explain recycling the "Devil's Due" script a
few years later, though.

I didn't know that was a recycled script. I'd guess someone thought it
was a great scipt?

Nobody could have possibly thought that was a great script.

[Duggy]

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by Mike B

Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around
the time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow
compelled into being compliant and, even though the other
Avengers thought something funny was up they let her down by
never pursuing it and she called them on it after that adventure
was over?

Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used
her to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star
Trek: The Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar
story, that even attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's
"rapist/son"...

Yes to the first question. As I recall he called himself Marcus
but turned out to be a version of Immortus.
Hard to forget the STTNG ep where a sleeping Troi has a
Tinkerbelle-like spark of light fly up between her legs...

Friends of mine did the FX for that (orginally that was supposed to be
Ilia, it's a recycled Phase II story). Note that it was
self-retconning; the instant she had the kid, there was no trace that
she'd ever been pregnant, much less given birth.

I've always wondered where the Y chromosome came from to create a boy-
child.

===
= DUG.
===

[OM]

On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:24:00 -0800 (PST), Duggy

Post by Duggy
I've always wondered where the Y chromosome came from to create a boy-
child.

...Male order.


OM

[Michael]

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
of things.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.
Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
Spiderman/Black Cat mini.
Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
ongoing series.
Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
years earlier.
I'm sure there are others I can't remember.

Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around the
time of the Korvac Saga? Not violently, but somehow compelled into
being compliant and, even though the other Avengers thought something
funny was up they let her down by never pursuing it and she called them
on it after that adventure was over?

Michael

[Hand-of-Omega]

Post by Michael

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
of things.

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

All I can remember is that it was by Shado and near the middle of Mike
Grell's GA run...so somewhere around GA (1st series) #40 or 50?

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.

Nightwing #100-101...a thoroughly stupid story.

Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...

This one I must have missed...although, in a Giant Size Special a
couple years back, Thundra stole his DNA to make herself a baby who is
now the new She Hulk.

Any others?

Black Canary was quite obvioiusly raped in the GA: Longbow Hunters
mini...although Mike Grell has since denied it and opinions seem to
vary around here.
Black Cat was revealed to be a former rape victim in the Kevin Smith
Spiderman/Black Cat mini.
Spoiler (the new Batgirl) was raped and impregnated by an associate of
her father (the villain Cluemaster) in an early issue of the Robin
ongoing series.
Sue Dibny, of course, was raped by Dr. Light in the Identity Crisis
mini...although it was actually a flashback to something that happened
years earlier.
I'm sure there are others I can't remember.

Wasn't Ms. Marvel/Carol Danvers raped by someone way back around the
time of the Korvac Saga?  Not violently, but somehow compelled into
being compliant and, even though the other Avengers thought something
funny was up they let her down by never pursuing it and she called them
on it after that adventure was over?

Wasn't she actually impregnated this way? By some being that used her
to give birth to itself, or something? Astonishingly, *Star Trek: The
Next Generation*, of all things, did a very similar story, that even
attempted to make you feel sorry for Troi's "rapist/son"...

Dex

[Len-L]

Post by Michael

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
of things.

Yes. Scott Free interrupted them before any sex occurred.
Len-L
------
"You say tomato, I say blood red seed fruit, sent directly
from the plasticine village of fertile flavors and utopian
joy!" -- Toby, Robot Satan

[grinningdemon]

Post by Len-L

Post by Michael

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

I want to say it was Action Comics #689...but, either way, most of
John Byrne's stuff has now been retconned out so it probably never
happened.

I could be very much mistaken, but I thought I'd read somewhere some
time ago that Barda and Supes hadn't quite gotten to the actual sex part
of things.

Yes. Scott Free interrupted them before any sex occurred.
Len-L

Yes, but the implication was that Barda had already been forced to
have sex with others.

[Ken Arromdee]

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

[Raymond Speer]

I particularly dislked the "Instant-Origin" dodge that makes rape the
motivator of somebody becoming a superhero. Oh, well, I guess that is no
worse than the original tradition that most superheros ae orphaned at an
early age.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Raymond Speer
I particularly dislked the "Instant-Origin" dodge that makes rape the
motivator of somebody becoming a superhero. Oh, well, I guess that is no
worse than the original tradition that most superheros ae orphaned at an
early age.

Tramautic events in the real world can often inspire people to become
cops, counselors, etc...it's not much of a stretch to apply that to
super heroes...and I personally prefer that type of origin to the type
where some essentially gets bored one day and decides to put on a
cape.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Ken Arromdee

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the Demon
or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those were
not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the kid
up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).

Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.

[Billy Bissette]

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Ken Arromdee

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the
Demon or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those
were not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the
kid up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).
Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.

Annoying that DC finally acknowledges a storyline that I liked,
but twist it into something else in that acknowledgement. (Yeah,
I'm one of the people who think Talia was the perfect partner for
Bruce, not Catwoman or Vicky Vale or any of the others.)

[grinningdemon]

On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:25:07 -0600, Billy Bissette

Post by Billy Bissette

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Ken Arromdee

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the
Demon or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those
were not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the
kid up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).
Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.

Annoying that DC finally acknowledges a storyline that I liked,
but twist it into something else in that acknowledgement. (Yeah,
I'm one of the people who think Talia was the perfect partner for
Bruce, not Catwoman or Vicky Vale or any of the others.)

I love Talia but I really don't think Batman has a perfect
partner...if I had to choose, I'd probably side with Catwoman.

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by grinningdemon
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:25:07 -0600, Billy Bissette

Post by Billy Bissette

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Ken Arromdee

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the
Demon or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those
were not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the
kid up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).
Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.

Annoying that DC finally acknowledges a storyline that I liked,
but twist it into something else in that acknowledgement. (Yeah,
I'm one of the people who think Talia was the perfect partner for
Bruce, not Catwoman or Vicky Vale or any of the others.)

I love Talia but I really don't think Batman has a perfect
partner...if I had to choose, I'd probably side with Catwoman.

Joel Schumuker flips his feather boa over his shoulder and laughs at you.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by grinningdemon
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:25:07 -0600, Billy Bissette

Post by Billy Bissette

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Ken Arromdee

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the
Demon or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those
were not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the
kid up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).
Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.

Annoying that DC finally acknowledges a storyline that I liked,
but twist it into something else in that acknowledgement. (Yeah,
I'm one of the people who think Talia was the perfect partner for
Bruce, not Catwoman or Vicky Vale or any of the others.)

I love Talia but I really don't think Batman has a perfect
partner...if I had to choose, I'd probably side with Catwoman.

Joel Schumuker flips his feather boa over his shoulder and laughs at you.

It really should be illegal at this point to mention that name in a
discussion involving Batman.

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by grinningdemon
On Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:25:07 -0600, Billy Bissette

Post by Billy Bissette

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Ken Arromdee

Post by grinningdemon

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

That was a retcon, actually...originally, he wasn't drugged, as I
recall...he even married her...it was either in the Bride of the
Demon or Son of the Demon graphic novel...I forget which...but those
were not in continuity until Grant Morrison decided to introduce
Damien...and, apparently, he changed the backstory anyway...not only
was he not drugged, but the story also ended with Talia giving the
kid up for adoption to keep him away from her father.

So they changed the backstory a second time after that to make him drugged?

The original story had Batman and Talia getting married (though it
didn't last long), she got knocked up from said union and turned the
baby over for adoption (Batman having though she miscarried) to keep
the kid away from her dad...but this story was never in continuity
subsequently (unless you count Kingdom Come and a couple other
Elseworlds that had the grown up son of Batman and Talia).
Then Morrison decided to bring the kid back in to continuity but
decided to change the details of his origin so that he was conceived
while Batman was drugged into submission and Talia apparently kept and
raised the child all these years (even though it goes against pretty
much every appearance she has made in the last 20 years)...she's also
more psychotic than she ever was before but that was a change DC had
already made in the couple years leading up to Morrison's run.

Annoying that DC finally acknowledges a storyline that I liked,
but twist it into something else in that acknowledgement. (Yeah,
I'm one of the people who think Talia was the perfect partner for
Bruce, not Catwoman or Vicky Vale or any of the others.)

I love Talia but I really don't think Batman has a perfect
partner...if I had to choose, I'd probably side with Catwoman.

Joel Schumuker flips his feather boa over his shoulder and laughs at you.

It really should be illegal at this point to mention that name in a
discussion involving Batman.

He really thought he was going to get to make another Batman movie,
right up 'til Batman Begins began. Talk about out of touch with reality.

[grinningdemon]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:43:52 +0100, "gerard.morvan"

Post by gerard.morvan

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

By Shado, the second time he met the japanese archer (except that she had
wounded him, not drugged him). Although that's only what she said to Black
Canary. Evidence suggests that Ollie was very much conscious and very much
willing.

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

The Huntress, in the first issue of her own series in 1989 (it has been
retconned since then).
Speedy (Mia Dearden) when she was a teenage hooker/drug user (she said that
drugs "kept the number of rapes to a minimum" while she was living on the
streets).
Jessica Jones (by the Purple Man)

Actually, that story was quite specific in saying the Purple Man never
touched her...he just kept her as pet for months and made her watch as
he raped other women...so, if anything, it was mind-rape.

Post by gerard.morvan
Black Cat (Felicia Hardy) (revealed in Spider-Man: The Evil that Men do).
Gérard Morvan
"Kentoc'h Mervel!"

[grinningdemon]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

[OM]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:09:48 -0600, grinningdemon

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

...Excitable boy, they all said.


OM

[Vorian_Atreides]

Post by OM
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 15:09:48 -0600, grinningdemon

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?

i am lookign,for a fan fictioj named POWER FAILURE,featuring a
bondage story with Powergirl.,from SPECTRE.can anhonr help me?

Post by OM

Post by grinningdemon

Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

...Excitable boy, they all said.
                                OM
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Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

At least. But not necessarily at most. Ditto Jim Gordon in the same
story.

Also, it's at least been implied recently that Jason Todd was
raped/molested as a child.
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-- The One, 14 Oct 08

[Duggy]

Post by YKW (ad hoc)

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

At least. But not necessarily at most. Ditto Jim Gordon in the same
story.

Except The Joker has since claimed that he hates rapists and wouldn't
do that himself.

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= DUG.
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[Hand-of-Omega]

Post by Duggy

Post by YKW (ad hoc)

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

At least. But not necessarily at most. Ditto Jim Gordon in the same
story.

Except The Joker has since claimed that he hates rapists and wouldn't
do that himself.

Um, Joker *has standards*, now? Am I the only one that sounds
completely crazy to? Besides, that may have been true of *that
version* of the Joker, but when his personality shifts again, he could
be capable of ANYthing...

Hell, his little "love tryst" with the DA in ASBAR was one of the few
bits which could very well be in character...

Dex

[Sam G]

Post by YKW (ad hoc)

Post by grinningdemon
On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 21:58:28 +0100, "Kyle Rayner"

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?
Greetings from Rome (Italy).

He shot her, stripped her, and took pictures of her.

At least. But not necessarily at most. Ditto Jim Gordon in the same
story.
Also, it's at least been implied recently that Jason Todd was
raped/molested as a child.
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Is that true about Jason?

[Fallen]

The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.

Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
because you 'made out'.

Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.

Fallen.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Fallen

The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.

Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
because you 'made out'.

Well, to be fair, they were trying to make the point that she was
crazy and taking everything too far.

Post by Fallen
Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.

It was crappy writing just like most everything else in Spiderman
these days...I found it utterly ridiculous that she didn't realize it
wasn't Peter...and even more so when MJ didn't realize it.

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Fallen

The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.

Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
because you 'made out'.

Well, to be fair, they were trying to make the point that she was
crazy and taking everything too far.

Post by Fallen
Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.

It was crappy writing just like most everything else in Spiderman
these days...I found it utterly ridiculous that she didn't realize it
wasn't Peter...and even more so when MJ didn't realize it.

Isn't it public knowledge that the Chameleon grabbed Peter anyway?
Didn't seem to be any reason to keep it a secret, since it was Parker
related, not Spider related.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Fallen

The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.

Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
because you 'made out'.

Well, to be fair, they were trying to make the point that she was
crazy and taking everything too far.

Post by Fallen
Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.

It was crappy writing just like most everything else in Spiderman
these days...I found it utterly ridiculous that she didn't realize it
wasn't Peter...and even more so when MJ didn't realize it.

Isn't it public knowledge that the Chameleon grabbed Peter anyway?
Didn't seem to be any reason to keep it a secret, since it was Parker
related, not Spider related.

The sad thing is, they made a point of how Chameleon made a better
Peter Parker than the real one...he got MJ talking to him again,
helped out Harry by giving him his old room at Aunt May's, and made up
with the roomate...it's just more of Marvel's clever plan to
illustrate how sad and pathetic Peter Parker is...and it's bullshit.

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Anim8rFSK

Post by grinningdemon

Post by Fallen

The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.

Yeah I'm ignoring the ridiculous out-of-comic backpedalling. You don't
'make out' on the floor, you don't think a guy's going to meet your
parents because you 'made out' and you don't wear a mans underwear
because you 'made out'.

Well, to be fair, they were trying to make the point that she was
crazy and taking everything too far.

Post by Fallen
Just another case of an idiot writer/editor/etc freaking out after
realising they just basically made a joke out of sexual assault.

It was crappy writing just like most everything else in Spiderman
these days...I found it utterly ridiculous that she didn't realize it
wasn't Peter...and even more so when MJ didn't realize it.

Isn't it public knowledge that the Chameleon grabbed Peter anyway?
Didn't seem to be any reason to keep it a secret, since it was Parker
related, not Spider related.

The sad thing is, they made a point of how Chameleon made a better
Peter Parker than the real one...he got MJ talking to him again,
helped out Harry by giving him his old room at Aunt May's, and made up
with the roomate...it's just more of Marvel's clever plan to
illustrate how sad and pathetic Peter Parker is...and it's bullshit.

Yeah, that was weird, the Chameleon makes the lives of those he
impersonates 'better' except for the part where he kills them.

[Fallen]

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

Shado.

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

Apollo of the Authority was raped (And then his rapist was raped by his
boyfriend Midnighter using a jackhammer).

Sue Dibny, wife of Elongated man and part of the JLA supporting cast was
raped by Dr Light.

Silk Spectre is raped by the Comedian in Watchmen.

The new Hawkeye was raped, which is what led her to train etc.

I think Starman was raped.

There was some weird insinuations about Jim Gordon and the Joker in The
Killing Joke.

The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Fallen.

[grinningdemon]

Post by Fallen

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...

Shado.

Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

Apollo of the Authority was raped (And then his rapist was raped by his
boyfriend Midnighter using a jackhammer).
Sue Dibny, wife of Elongated man and part of the JLA supporting cast was
raped by Dr Light.
Silk Spectre is raped by the Comedian in Watchmen.
The new Hawkeye was raped, which is what led her to train etc.
I think Starman was raped.

I forgot about that...the Myst (the female one) drugged and took
advantage of Jack Knight/Starman and later gave birth to a son.

Post by Fallen
There was some weird insinuations about Jim Gordon and the Joker in The
Killing Joke.

Joker also stripped Barbara down after he shot her and took pictures
of her...could count as molestation.

Post by Fallen
The Chamelon recently had sex with Spideys roommate wearing his face and
pretending to be him, that's fairly dodgy too.

Actually, they apparently only had a make-out session on the kitchen
floor.

[Kyle Rayner]

Wasn't Barbara Gordon raped and injured by the Joker?

Greetings from Rome (Italy).

[YKW (ad hoc)]

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.

Barda, maybe. It wasn't ever revealed just what was videotaped, so it
could have been something as mild as nn/tease, it could have been solo
stuff, or it could have been a whole lot more hardcore.

Supes, though... Sleeze couldn't even get a convincing kiss from him.
Never anything more.

Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.

He conceived Damien freely and of his own accord. See SON OF THE DEMON.
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[Kevin]

How bout Gamora?
Kev :)

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

[Mike Hall]

Post by Kevin
How bout Gamora?

Before Thanos improved her body? I think that she only was shown to
be roughed-up. Believing that half-naked gorgeous women fight
criminals without much fear of being raped goes hand-in-hand with
believing that people can fly.


Mike Hall

[Patrick]

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

When the X-Men first went to Genosha, Rogue was powerless and thrown into a
prison; the dialog suggested that she was rape, but later we learnt that "it
didn't happen." If writers/editors don't want characters to go through
sexual abuse, they should not write it, or have something changed before it
sees print. That way, they don't have to change their minds about it later.

Patrick

[William George Ferguson]

On Fri, 27 Nov 2009 09:54:03 -0800 (PST), Hand-of-Omega

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!
Superman-Big Barda, mind-controlled into having sex with each other
(and possibly others) by Sleeze as part of his pornography racket.
Batman, drugged and used as a human sperm bank by Talia.
Green Arrow, same, but I'm not sure who by...
Nightwing, taken advantage of by Tarantula during a moment of extreme
emotional stress.
Hulk, molested while tied down by some woman, while he desperately
begged her not to...
Any others?
Dex

A couple nobody has mentioned yet

Sharon Ventura (it was one of the plot drivers that led to the whole Miss
Thing stuff)

Xian Coy Manh (Karma) of the New Mutants was brutally gang-raped by
pirates, after they had gang-raped and beaten her mother to death, when she
was a boat-person fleeing the fall of Saigon. She finished in a dead heat
with Ilyanna Rasputin (trapped for ten years in Limbo as the plaything of
demons) in the 'crappiest childhood imaginable' contest the New Mutants
seemed to be having. Dani Moonstar having her parents killed by the Demon
Bear, and Rahne Sinclair having her father try to burn her at the stake as
a monster, were respectable attempts, but Sam Guthrie having his father die
of black lung, and having to go to work in the coal mines, wasn't really
competitive. (oops almost forgot Berto having his father try to kill his
mother, and his girfriend being shot and killed in front of him).

[FSogol]

Guess the bottom line on rapes in comics are:

Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.

Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

[William George Ferguson]

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

Although, in my two examples (Sharon Ventura and Xian Coy Manh), the rape
was the major plot driver of their characterization for the rest of their
storylines.

Post by FSogol
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

Not as overused as murder of a father/father-figure.

Lessee
Bruce Wayne (duh)
Dick Grayson too, for that matter (both father, and currently
father-figure)
Hmm, Jason Todd's parents were murdered. Tim Drake's father was killed by
Boomerang (I'm detecting a theme for the Bat series). Stepnanie Brown's
father was killed on a Suicide Squad mission, but that's been retconned.
Cassandra Cain's father hasn't been murdered, but she's trying to rectify
that. I guess Damian Wayne's father is still supposed to be currently
dead.

Matt Murdock
Sue and Johnny Storm (father killed by skrulls)
Peter Parker (father-figure in his case)
Pretty much all the New Mutants except Rahne (her father tried to murder
Her), but then, her mother-figure, Moira McTaggert, was murdered.
Should Clark count? Both his actual father and his adoptive father (again)
are dead, but not murdered.

Those are off the top of my head

[grinningdemon]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:15:30 -0700, William George Ferguson

Post by William George Ferguson

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

Although, in my two examples (Sharon Ventura and Xian Coy Manh), the rape
was the major plot driver of their characterization for the rest of their
storylines.

Post by FSogol
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

Not as overused as murder of a father/father-figure.
Lessee
Bruce Wayne (duh)
Dick Grayson too, for that matter (both father, and currently
father-figure)
Hmm, Jason Todd's parents were murdered. Tim Drake's father was killed by
Boomerang (I'm detecting a theme for the Bat series).

His mother was murdered well before that too.

Stepnanie Brown's

Post by William George Ferguson
father was killed on a Suicide Squad mission, but that's been retconned.
Cassandra Cain's father hasn't been murdered, but she's trying to rectify
that. I guess Damian Wayne's father is still supposed to be currently
dead.
Matt Murdock
Sue and Johnny Storm (father killed by skrulls)
Peter Parker (father-figure in his case)
Pretty much all the New Mutants except Rahne (her father tried to murder
Her)

And Rahne recently murdered him right back.

, but then, her mother-figure, Moira McTaggert, was murdered.

Post by William George Ferguson
Should Clark count? Both his actual father and his adoptive father (again)
are dead, but not murdered.

That depends on which version of the Superman origin you look
at...some versions actually blame a specific person for the
destruction of Krypton (Zod, Brainiac, etc.)...in those versions, his
actual parents were murdered.

Post by William George Ferguson
Those are off the top of my head

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by William George Ferguson
Should Clark count? Both his actual father and his adoptive father (again)
are dead, but not murdered.

Well, Krypton keeps going back and forth about being blown up
intentionally, so sometimes it's murder.

I quit reading Superman when they undid the only good part of Byrne's
retcon and killed Pa again, but didn't he die as at least an indirect
result of Brainiac attacking? We can make a case for murder, and not
only that, but I assume Clark thinks it's his fault.

And of course, EVERY Kit Walker.

[grinningdemon]

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

That's an exaggeration and you know it...I know so many like to cry
misogyny and rant about women in refrigerators every time a female
character so much as stubs her toe but saying that almost every female
character has been raped or sexually assaulted isn't even close to
true...in fact, if this list has proven anything, it's that nearly as
many male characters have been raped or sexually assaulted.

Post by FSogol
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

As opposed to death? Should we start listing the number of characters
who have been murdered over the years (male and female)? Because it
happens far more frequently than rape and people don't go off the deep
end every time that happens...hell, most of the people we've listed in
this thread are either dead or have been killed and brought back.

[Billy Bissette]

Post by grinningdemon

Post by FSogol
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

As opposed to death? Should we start listing the number of characters
who have been murdered over the years (male and female)? Because it
happens far more frequently than rape and people don't go off the deep
end every time that happens...hell, most of the people we've listed in
this thread are either dead or have been killed and brought back.

You forget that a significant number of people will argue that rape
is worse than death.

But going down that road will be the death of this thread. Though
FSogol's unsupported statement that "Almost every female character has
been raped or sexually assaulted." may very well have achieved that
already.

[Anim8rFSK]

Post by Billy Bissette

Post by grinningdemon

Post by FSogol
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

As opposed to death? Should we start listing the number of characters
who have been murdered over the years (male and female)? Because it
happens far more frequently than rape and people don't go off the deep
end every time that happens...hell, most of the people we've listed in
this thread are either dead or have been killed and brought back.

You forget that a significant number of people will argue that rape
is worse than death.

Given that death is at worst a temporary inconvenience in the
MarvelVerse, they'd have a point.

[Billy Bissette]

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

Hrm, how does other media compare?

The flood of police procedural shows has pretty much killed any
story impact for rape. After more than a decade of inundation and
escalation, rape is nothing. The same is true for all the hospital
shows. And then there is the impact of Law & Order: SVU, which was
built around the premise of multiple sexual assaults on a weekly
basis. As far as TV is concerned, rape isn't even a story anymore.
Now you have to be kept as a human slave, sold on the street for
drugs, killed, have your corpse violated, be dismembered, have the
body parts sold on the black market, and then have the kid who got
your heart have to beat your original rapist to death with your
femur.

So, what about fiction?

What have I read lately? Better yet, what have I read in the last few
years that was written by women?

Charlene Harris' Southern Vampire books. Main character Sookie was
molested as a kid. So was the main character's cousin Hadley.
Back story on the vampires Eric, Sophie-Anne, and Andre had them all
raped in their youth. Tara was passed around like a possession.

Kim Harrison's Anita Blake books. Main character has repeatedly been
raped, but she's okay with it because it was by people she likes. Mind,
by the time the books reached the double digits, they stopped being
supernatural detective fiction and instead became hard core porn.
Nothing but an excuse for Anita to move from person to person having
explicitly described sex.

Kim Harrison's Hollows stuff? More vampires, so of course there is
more sexualization and more people being dominated, even if it is more
background material. True for a lot of vampire stuff in general,
really.

Lois McMaster Bujold writes sci-fi and fantasy not focused on sex, so
how does she do? In the Vorkosigan books, Elena is the child of a rape.
Rape was one of the ways you knew the bad guys were the bad guys in the
Barrayar. And the Chalion stuff? Again, rape was just another thing
the bad guys did.

Sara Douglass. I can't recall if there was rape or not. But does
it really matter with the crap that she tries to justify in her
Starman series? The stuff that she sweeps under the rug to claim her
hero is a "hero" is an insult to both men and women. Worse, she didn't
even really seem to understand just how bad a guy she had written.

[William George Ferguson]

Post by Billy Bissette

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.
Rape in comics is overused and a lame way to move a plot.

Hrm, how does other media compare?
The flood of police procedural shows has pretty much killed any
story impact for rape. After more than a decade of inundation and
escalation, rape is nothing. The same is true for all the hospital
shows. And then there is the impact of Law & Order: SVU, which was
built around the premise of multiple sexual assaults on a weekly
basis. As far as TV is concerned, rape isn't even a story anymore.
Now you have to be kept as a human slave, sold on the street for
drugs, killed, have your corpse violated, be dismembered, have the
body parts sold on the black market, and then have the kid who got
your heart have to beat your original rapist to death with your
femur.
So, what about fiction?
What have I read lately? Better yet, what have I read in the last few
years that was written by women?
Charlene Harris' Southern Vampire books. Main character Sookie was
molested as a kid. So was the main character's cousin Hadley.
Back story on the vampires Eric, Sophie-Anne, and Andre had them all
raped in their youth. Tara was passed around like a possession.
Kim Harrison's Anita Blake books. Main character has repeatedly been
raped, but she's okay with it because it was by people she likes. Mind,
by the time the books reached the double digits, they stopped being
supernatural detective fiction and instead became hard core porn.
Nothing but an excuse for Anita to move from person to person having
explicitly described sex.

You typoed LKH as Kim Harrison (thinking ahead a paragraph probably), but
that's okay. I don't count even rough consensual sex as 'rape', so Anita
has been physically raped (forced into non-consensual sex, three times that
I know of, and mind-raped a lot more than that. The three times she was
physically raped (counting a serious attempt at rape in the same vein as 'a
little bit pregnant'), she immediately, and fatally corrected the situation
in mid-rape (the bodyguard she beat to death with a chair in The Laughing
Corpse, the were-leopard she gutted in The Killing Dance, and the
daywalking vampire in Skin Trade. There was also the guard in Obsidian
Butterfly, but that wasn't really 'rape', she seduced him to get him in
position so she could kill him.

The major rapes in the LKH series has been among supporting characters,
mostly the shapeshifters.

Post by Billy Bissette
Kim Harrison's Hollows stuff? More vampires, so of course there is
more sexualization and more people being dominated, even if it is more
background material. True for a lot of vampire stuff in general,
really.

Rachel Morgan hasn't been that I can think of, but her partner Ivy very
definitely was, repeatedly.

Kitty Norville in the Carrie Vaughn books was bitten by a werewolf after
being date-raped, then was, effectively, raped by the leader of her
werewolf pack repeatedly. Even so, the senator's violation of her was
probably worse, even though not a physical assualt.

Virtually every Mercedes Lackey book for about 10 years featured
child-abuse, usually, but not always, including rape. It really wore out
its welcome as a plot theme, even among strong Lackey fans.

Patricia Briggs' Mercedes Thompson was very viciously raped in Iron Kissed.
Of course she then beat his head to a shapeless pulp with a tire iron,
while she was still under his love spell.

[Mike B]

Charlene Harris' Southern Vampire books. Main character Sookie
was molested as a kid. So was the main character's cousin
Hadley. Back story on the vampires Eric, Sophie-Anne, and
Andre had them all raped in their youth. Tara was passed
around like a possession.

Charlaine. And what you may not know, revealed in a brutally
honest interview in MYSTERY SCENE magazine a few years
back, is that the author herself was the victim of rape. Perhaps
even familial child abuse, along the lines of Sookie's evil uncle.

She dealt with the topic head-on in one of her first books, A SECRET
RAGE (a standalone) and on an ongoing basis in her Lily Bard
series (the heroine is a rape survivor). But as you noted, the themes
occur in many of her books.

--Mike Blake

[Billy Bissette]

On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:15:31 -0600, Billy Bissette

Post by Billy Bissette
Kim Harrison's Anita Blake books. Main character has repeatedly been
raped, but she's okay with it because it was by people she likes.
Mind, by the time the books reached the double digits, they stopped
being supernatural detective fiction and instead became hard core
porn. Nothing but an excuse for Anita to move from person to person
having explicitly described sex.

You typoed LKH as Kim Harrison (thinking ahead a paragraph probably),
but that's okay. I don't count even rough consensual sex as 'rape',
so Anita has been physically raped (forced into non-consensual sex,
three times that I know of, and mind-raped a lot more than that. The
three times she was physically raped (counting a serious attempt at
rape in the same vein as 'a little bit pregnant'), she immediately,
and fatally corrected the situation in mid-rape (the bodyguard she
beat to death with a chair in The Laughing Corpse, the were-leopard
she gutted in The Killing Dance, and the daywalking vampire in Skin
Trade. There was also the guard in Obsidian Butterfly, but that
wasn't really 'rape', she seduced him to get him in position so she
could kill him.

Yes, I did typo the name when getting a bit ahead of myself.

Defining "rape" for Anita is a bit rough when she picks up a
condition that forces her to have sex several times a day, and
punishes her friends if she tries to resist the urge. Of course,
that is right before the series turns into a full-blown porn title.

It is also hard when non-consensual sex tends to turn consensual.
I vaguely recall that happening with Damian and Anita, I think?
Actually, I vaguely recall several times where "No" turned to "Yes"
with a bit of force, thanks in part to Anita getting off on pain.

[Mike Hall]

Females:  Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted.  Reason?  Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

Bs. An unbelievably tiny number have been sexually assaulted (in
mainstream comics anyway), considering they attack criminals while
wearing bikinis!

Males:  Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.

If an evil villainess pulls out a strap-on, that comic gets put in the
hardcore section! As for male-on-male rape, the only mainstream comic
of any ilk featuring this that I can think of was Preacher. This is a
business and the market for men being sexually brutalised is probably
tiny. I can't believe that these has not been done before, which
suggests that few of us enjoy reading comics where men face sexual
assault. Since the number of brutalised women is also tiny, I can
also infer that TPTB think that we don't enjoy reading rape comics.


Mike Hall

[grinningdemon]

Post by Mike Hall

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

Bs. An unbelievably tiny number have been sexually assaulted (in
mainstream comics anyway), considering they attack criminals while
wearing bikinis!

Post by FSogol
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.

If an evil villainess pulls out a strap-on, that comic gets put in the
hardcore section! As for male-on-male rape, the only mainstream comic
of any ilk featuring this that I can think of was Preacher. This is a
business and the market for men being sexually brutalised is probably
tiny. I can't believe that these has not been done before, which
suggests that few of us enjoy reading comics where men face sexual
assault. Since the number of brutalised women is also tiny, I can
also infer that TPTB think that we don't enjoy reading rape comics.

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread. Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children. (Just saying)

Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.

[Mike Hall]

Post by grinningdemon

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread.  Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children.  (Just saying)

Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.

Hmm.. If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
that might be interesting; and I'm sure it has been explored in the
Japanese manga comics. I don't think it has been done for the US
market, as it sounds very much like the official "Worst Star Trek TNG
Ever" episode, where Janeway and Paris turn into lizards and
reproduce.


Mike Hall

[Mike Hall]

Hmm..  If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
that might be interesting;

Well, Mystique is Nightcrawler's mom but, originally, Destiny was
supposed to be his mom...and Mystique was supposed to be his DAD...it
didn't end up happening but that would have been a case of a
female/female pairing producing a child.

Hmm.. Cartman's Mom is actually his Dad in South Park, which does not
really count I suppose.


Mike Hall

[Billy Bissette]

Post by Mike Hall

Hmm..  If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
that might be interesting;

Well, Mystique is Nightcrawler's mom but, originally, Destiny was
supposed to be his mom...and Mystique was supposed to be his DAD...it
didn't end up happening but that would have been a case of a
female/female pairing producing a child.

Hmm.. Cartman's Mom is actually his Dad in South Park, which does not
really count I suppose.

In Red Dwarf, during a brief trip into a parallel universe where
everyone's sex was reversed, Lister got knocked up by his female
counterpart. (He didn't use protection because he didn't realize
that men were the ones who got pregnant in that universe.)

[Anim8rFSK]

In article

Post by Mike Hall

Post by grinningdemon

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread.  Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children.  (Just saying)

Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.

Hmm.. If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
that might be interesting; and I'm sure it has been explored in the
Japanese manga comics. I don't think it has been done for the US
market, as it sounds very much like the official "Worst Star Trek TNG
Ever" episode, where Janeway and Paris turn into lizards and
reproduce.
Mike Hall

And then they just LEAVE their lizard babies behind!

[grinningdemon]

Post by Mike Hall

Post by grinningdemon

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread.  Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children.  (Just saying)

Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.

Hmm.. If a male shapechanger was made pregnant while in woman's form,
that might be interesting; and I'm sure it has been explored in the
Japanese manga comics. I don't think it has been done for the US
market, as it sounds very much like the official "Worst Star Trek TNG
Ever" episode, where Janeway and Paris turn into lizards and
reproduce.

Well, Mystique is Nightcrawler's mom but, originally, Destiny was
supposed to be his mom...and Mystique was supposed to be his DAD...it
didn't end up happening but that would have been a case of a
female/female pairing producing a child.

[FSogol]

Post by grinningdemon

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread. Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children. (Just saying)

Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.

Wait a minute, what?

[grinningdemon]

Post by FSogol

Post by grinningdemon

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread. Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children. (Just saying)

Never say never...after all, if Superman and Lex Luthor can have a
love child, anything is possible.

Wait a minute, what?

Conner Kent/Superboy is genetically half Superman and half Lex
Luthor...he was grown in a lab but still...it opens up some
possibilities, doesn't it?

[FSogol]

Post by Mike Hall

Post by FSogol
Females: Almost every female character has been raped or sexually
assaulted. Reason? Misogyny by the usually male writers or a
disturbing lack of awareness of how devastating these attacks are to the
victims.

Bs. An unbelievably tiny number have been sexually assaulted (in
mainstream comics anyway), considering they attack criminals while
wearing bikinis!

Post by FSogol
Males: Males are raped in comics to provide children to be raised by
evil-villainess.

If an evil villainess pulls out a strap-on, that comic gets put in the
hardcore section! As for male-on-male rape, the only mainstream comic
of any ilk featuring this that I can think of was Preacher. This is a
business and the market for men being sexually brutalised is probably
tiny. I can't believe that these has not been done before, which
suggests that few of us enjoy reading comics where men face sexual
assault. Since the number of brutalised women is also tiny, I can
also infer that TPTB think that we don't enjoy reading rape comics.

Was referring to cases where females raped male heroes which there were
several examples given in earlier posts in this thread. Male on male
rape wouldn't provide children. (Just saying)

[teepee]

Some friends of mine didn't believe me when I told them some of the
famous heroes who have been officially sexually abused. I'm sure there
are more that I don't know about, so I'd like some help with actual
number issues, please!

I got the understanding that Tigress and various others had been rented out
as mind controlled sex toys by the Puppeteer in her appearance in Ms Marvel
recently. But that might be a suggestion rather than explicit.